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PAL with color bleed; unclear #7

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kattan1969 opened this issue Apr 7, 2024 · 7 comments
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PAL with color bleed; unclear #7

kattan1969 opened this issue Apr 7, 2024 · 7 comments

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@kattan1969
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kattan1969 commented Apr 7, 2024

I tested the board with both C6 and C7 capacitors soldered and ended up with a jumpy and flakey image. So, as you have suggested I decided to "play with them". Removing C7 first resulted a very bad and unstable video signal. Putting C7 back and removing C6 resulted a kind-of stable image but with terrible color bleed. Now I'm sure the chips/components I'm using are good. Could it be the video chip a Chinese one (though I purchased from the States!!). Oh and this is with PAL setup using the Composite Connector (I don't have an S-Video TV).

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@SukkoPera
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I'm assuming you are using the correct PAL frequency crystal and that the jumper is set to PAL.

I'd just use 100uF for C6 and 100nF for C7.

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kattan1969 commented Apr 8, 2024

Yes for sure :) I'm using the right components.
As I've mentioned in my original post, removing C6 (the 100uF cap) resulted in the snapshots uploaded previously. Using both caps or C7 alone resulted in a very unstable and wavy composite video signal. Something is not right here!

I have a similar, pre-assembled, S-Video / Composite Video out board and the output is superb and crystal clear. It uses the same chip with many similar components as in this project (see https://www.ebay.com/itm/323934490842).
However, this one is relatively expensive!

I was hoping to achieve the same result with this OpenVideoModulator, wasn't able so far :(

@SukkoPera
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Well, I don't know what to say, it works very well for me. Check the soldering.

Maybe you can try to analyze the other circuit and see what's different? It looks very similar at first glance.

@kattan1969
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kattan1969 commented Apr 8, 2024

OK, I ordered a new set of AD724JRZ chips from reputable seller based in the States. My previous set of chips (AD724JR) look different and there is a possibility that they are not genuine. Once the new chips arrive I will assemble a new PCB (as I have 10 of these) and report back the results.
I really need this circuit as it's more convenient to plug My Amiga 500 into any TV. Yet, with a very nostalgic display (yes, I know HDMI and VGA look better but having composite video out is part of the fun). I figured a way to install this inside my Amiga and use the existing mono video port for output. No case cutting other then soldering and mounting the board.

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@SukkoPera
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I have different batches of Chinese chips, some work very well, some don't work at all, some will start working properly when I touch (!) the crystal. But hey, you can get 50 for the price of a single original one ;).

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kattan1969 commented May 18, 2024

It seems, at least for me, that this project is a bummer! Based on my previous comments (above), I presumed that may be the chips I purchased were fake? So I ordered new set of chips from a reputable seller and assembled a new circuit using a new PCB to result in another bad composite image that is worst than before! So whos the culprit? The chip or the circuit? I don't know!

I think this circuit is probably suitable for certain TVs with special PAL versions. I have tested this on the TVs I have at home (3 of them) and the picture is more or less the same!!!

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The problem might be in the crystal then. Try touching it :).

(Not joking.)

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