Consultation and help on making Other Localization

[1Knightey1]

Hello there, I'm Knightey, one of the translations of PMoon works in Russian.
For quite some time, I was a part of the team working on a translation for Limbus Company with no hope to implement our work into the game, but sudden news of ability to do such a trick gave us more motivation to finish what we already started.
To the point...
Even though I do have the minimal knowledge of C# (I've been working on LoR mod of mine since October), I and the team I work with will surely need some assistance in making a proper localization mod for Limbus.
And thus, I ask of you: could you help us in these trying times?

[ZengXiaoPi]

Maybe you can read the code at first.Because you probably only need to make a few changes to the main code and the mod for Russian will work.And if you need some help, you can also comment.

[1Knightey1]

I've read the main code and got the gist, but, in example, I do not fully understand how to work with fonts. I... Probably should have stated it in the font mod repository, but still.
Even though at least two ENG fonts work swiftly with Cyrillic, at least one of the used fonts (Excelsior Sans) needed to be modified by me in order to have at least basic Cyrillic glyphs and characters. And I probably need to implement the modified version. As an asset. Which I don't really know how to do, that's why I asked help in the main work.

[ZengXiaoPi]

By the way, I'm happy because there is another team translate Limbus Company into their own language.

[ZengXiaoPi]

I've read the main code and got the gist, but, in example, I do not fully understand how to work with fonts. I... Probably should have stated it in the font mod repository, but still. Even though at least two ENG fonts work swiftly with Cyrillic, at least one of the used fonts (Excelsior Sans) needed to be modified by me in order to have at least basic Cyrillic glyphs and characters. And I probably need to implement the modified version. As an asset. Which I don't really know how to do, that's why I asked help in the main work.

I'm sorry that I can't help you with this problem. Because I am not the main developer of this Chinese translation project. but the developer has noticed your problem and he should reply to you soon?

[N071]

Please pardon us for our delayed reply (if any). The two main developer of this mod (Bright1192 and Shamer6246) might not be able to contact with you in fluent English, so we (N071, ZengXiaoPi and HeartyYF) will be here to convey your information to these two main developers.

So first please note that this localization mod has been approved by ProjectMoon, (refer to Discussion 70) so you do not need to worry about safety issues.

The work you need to do to implement RU into Limbus Company should not be hard. I'm sure that our code is self-explinatory and modularized, and you are free to fork the repository to reuse our code. We have noted that you are having problem with the font asset, and we are sure that the font problem should not be difficult. I will personally explain your question to our main developers and see if they can help.

Should you have any questions regarding other parts of our mod, please feel free to discuss it here. You can always put your question regarding the font asset in this repository (no need to go to the font repository).

By the way, do your organization have any public account or so, for us to better understand you? We are thrilled to see people form other country to work with us, and we welcome you whole-heartedly.

[1Knightey1]

Oh, hello there!
We have an account in YouTube to share RU translations of videos (pending right now) and an active public group in VK (Russian social network, like BiliBili), where we post translated news from ProjectMoon. I'm also working on public account in Github (for we will need some place to store the Localization in), but right now feel free to use gmail and/or talk with me because I, Knightey, am one of the main administrators of the team!

[Shamer6246]

Hi there! I'm the guy who is working on font stuff. So basically you will need to use Unity to generate a TextMeshPro font (a.k.a TMP font), and output your font as AssetBundle. You can easily find a guide about how to do this. If you have any further questions, feel free to ask me :)

[N071]

Uh-huh, thank you for the explanation!
I also had a question... How should we credit your team? SInce you helped, continue to help and will help us further...

If you have ever installed and tried our mod, you can see that we added an announcement page inside the "Window" tab of the game (beside the mail and setting button). You are free to modify this tab to put credits, links(to your social accounts and github repos) and recent update information. If you ever need one, we can prepare a credit list in English for you to put in there.

We identify ourselves by the name "LLC", which stands for Localize Limbus Company. If you want to mention us elsewhere, you can always put a link to this github repository(or to our organization on GitHub) and that's enough.

[1Knightey1]

Uh-huh, thank you for the explanation!
I also had a question... How should we credit your team? SInce you helped, continue to help and will help us further...

If you have ever installed and tried our mod, you can see that we added an announcement page inside the "Window" tab of the game (beside the mail and setting button). You are free to modify this tab to put credits, links(to your social accounts and github repos) and recent update information. If you ever need one, we can prepare a credit list in English for you to put in there.

We identify ourselves by the name "LLC", which stands for Localize Limbus Company. If you want to mention us elsewhere, you can always put a link to this github repository(or to our organization on GitHub) and that's enough.

Yeah, I've seen it. Okay!
By the way, can you ask your programmer how to make proper ID's for the announcements on the modified page as well as how to make GUID for COM in the AssemblyInfo? ':^

[N071]

• The ID of the announcement could start from any number (naturally starts from 0 but technically you can set it to anything as you wish).
• GUID should be just randomly generated, as an identification of an assembly.

These two questions above should be considered elementary.
We do not think that this project is hard by any means: you can...

• Simply fork our work
• Change all the "CN" and "Chinese" in the code into "RU" and "Russian"
• Make and implement a RU font
• And everything will be fine.

We highly recomment you to reuse our work for your convenience, rather than to remake it.
*This message is from Bright1192.

[1Knightey1]

• The ID of the announcement naturally starts from 0.
• GUID should be just randomly generated, as an identification of an assembly.

These two questions above should be considered elementary. We do not think that this project is hard by any means: you can...

• Simply fork our work
• Change all the "CN" and "Chinese" in the code into "RU" and "Russian"
• Make and implement a RU font
• And everything will be fine.

We highly recomment you to reuse our work for your convenience, rather than to remake it. *This message is from Bright1192.

I understand it's elementary, I just saw through your work and the records didn't start from 0, so I considered that it might have other reasons to not start as 0, 1 and so on. Anyways, thank you for your work and your answers! Tell Bright1192 that I think they're neat! (In a good way)

[N071]

There is a following up message from Bright1192:

The ID of the announcement could start from any number.

Actually, We should avoid the numbers that ProjectMoon has already used. But unfortunately no one knows which number has ProjMoon already used, so we're just using a random number. Just give a random and relatively large number.

...and thanks for the compliment! I would like to express mine and Bright's appreciation again.

[ZengXiaoPi]

Ah, there is another problem, due to possible time zone issues, there may be a huge delay in our answers (for example we are now at 1am), sorry for that.

[1Knightey1]

That's alright! I'll keep that in mind, thank you.

[N071]

Most of us are in UTC+8. Please don't misunderstand us: We are really willing to answer your question, but might not able to give long answers in the next 8 hours since most of us are going to rest. Anyway, do not hesitate to put your recent work and questions here, it is welcomed.

[1Knightey1]

I've decided to try out the mod and, well... it shows an error even though I think I didn't change the code...that much
The code can be seen here

[1Knightey1]

Yeah, that's probably the reason. Right now I'm making quick translations and changes (Kor to Eng since Korean is hard to maintain considering the amount of syllables it has)

[1Knightey1]

True... I should have slept to realize it sooner...

[1Knightey1]

What do you think, why does the game show only one word of the sentences?

[1Knightey1]

to see TextMeshPro→Font Asset Creator

Uh, then... how to fix this...?
(I updated the fonts, they should work with Cyrillic better now, though I still try to understand what code do we need to use more than one font)

[1Knightey1]

to see TextMeshPro→Font Asset Creator

Uh, then... how to fix this...? (I updated the fonts, they should work with Cyrillic better now, though I still try to understand what code do we need to use more than one font)

Ah, I missed the space when I was making the assets. Though, the same font still... sad-looking

[1Knightey1]

Good news! We're making some progress, and it can be already seen!
Bad news: some of the fonts are not working even though they should have. Maybe it's lack of Cyrillic in textures for fonts...

[Shamer6246]

By the way, we recommend set outline thickness to 0.15 in font material to improve readability.
As reference, I will put my settings on here:

• Raw font, just leave everything default.

• Generate settings, also leave everything default, except for font. Atlas resolution is depends on the number of characters, and Chinese have thousands of common characters, so we choose the largest one.

• Character set of our Chinese font. It contain 6k+ Chinese common characters, numbers, basic symbols, English alphabets, special symbols, and Japanese, Korean, Russian characters for some special situations. You need to include your language's characters, numbers, common symbols, and English alphabets at least, special symbols should contain arrows, star, block, ring, both solid and hollow.

• Our font is bit too large in some UIs, so we change the scale of the font.

• Font material, also leave everything default, except for outline thickness.

[Shamer6246]

Even after making the BebasKai raw font appear inside of it, it still doesn't work right in the game

Like I said, you don't need to add anything else except for the font you wan to use. It will do nothing, mod will read the first asset in bundle only. So you should remove unnecessary content as much as possible.

[1Knightey1]

https://github.com/Crescent-Corporation/LCBR_CyrillicFontAsset
Updated to add outline. Still doesn't seem to work for some reason... Gah!

[Shamer6246]

Since our font includes Russian already, maybe you should try to replace text files of our mod only, to check if the problem still exists.

[1Knightey1]

It works. Could it be that the code makes material for only one code? Because Loading font works only with the first font in the bundle...

[1Knightey1]

I have a question about Hong Lu.
You have translated him as 鸿璐.
Can you explain me, why?
It's interesting to me, because the name of the book he is based on seems to be 紅樓夢...

[ZengXiaoPi]

Oh, by the way, "太虚幻境" is from 《红楼梦》 too.

[ZengXiaoPi]

sad, i'm stupid

[1Knightey1]

Ah, that's why. Now I get it
Thank you very much!

[1Knightey1]

Update of 1.10
Good news: We (almost) fixed the font problem. Actually, Mikodacs and Pretendard work as intended, the only font that doesn't want to work is BebasKai which had not Cyrillic until I made one.
Bad news: After an update like half of the UI translations stopped working and do not work even after updating files. Do I have to manually replace them and then replace Korean/English with Russian again? Because adding bits seem to not work.
Before this update:
(Font is the wrong one; I couldn't find the most fresh screenshot of this very tab)

After this update:

Excuse me if it sounds stupid, I haven't had proper rest because of Limbus for a few days now.

[Shamer6246]

Congratulations! But there is one thing you might need to change: resolution of your fonts. If you not yet noticed, the size of your fonts has reached 550MB, it just toooooo large. I checked your asset bundle, all of the main font's atlas is 8192x resolution, some of them even just have less than 10 character.
One thing you need to know: font's size is not about how many characters it contains, its size directly related to resolution. A 8192x font will have fixed 60+MB, so in your case, using resolution like this is completely overkill.
For your reference, our font's resolution is also 8192x, but it contains approximately 7000 characters, and PM's font is using 2048x. So the size you chosen is really OVERKILL lol.

[1Knightey1]

I know about the size, I'll try to fix it later
(Less size used to create boxes around letters, but after a few searches now I know that it's difference between padding and point size; it was less than 10%)

The biggest problem bow is that part of translation does not work and copypasting seems to not work (At least, Announcers are still English even though I recreated the thing in Russian in the mod files)

[1Knightey1]

Okay, Announcers and many other names started to work after I found a mistake in Skills_Ego json
MentalCondition still doesn't want to get translated though. I'm searching where is the problem

EDIT: It seems that for some reason MentalCondition got yeeted out of CyrillicFont code. It works now

[1Knightey1]

Okay, thank you. Nicknames... I've tried to stay close to your version, but I probably did something wrong. because Nicknames do not work

I'll check your code again.
This thing aside, I guess in a few weeks we'll be able to realease the first version of Ru localization!

EDIT: I found the problem. Extra "{" in the Nickname json. At least I managed to fix it myself...

[AlexJackalope]

Hello!
Reading code is cool, but can you help if some curious developers are interested in debugging your code? I'm running Limbus with --melonloader.debug property by VS 2022 with the configuration from picture and get game's process exited with code 53.

If I just launch LimbusCompany.exe with the debug flag and then try to attach the process necessary .dll is not in the output list of loaded files and all breakpoints are unreachable.
Have you encountered these problems? Or do you have other advices to run code in debug mode?
Thank you in advance.

[AlexJackalope]

Well, I literally followed instructions from "Using an IDE..." part and ran into difficulties, but if there are no additional advices, OK.

[1Knightey1]

It's been quite some time, huh?
Hello there. I found another problem with font showing in the game.

So basically, what I've found: for some reason the Starter Buff button keeps using KOTRA BOLD font instead of Mikodacs, which was placed instead in the font changing code. It can be "changed" in UE, but the changes will be reverted after closing the game.

[1Knightey1]

Ah, I found another KOTRA BOLD incident:

[1Knightey1]

Could it be lack of supervision and unity in the work?

[1Knightey1]

For now it works. If there are any problems, I'll tell you right away.

[1Knightey1]

Okay, I found some
Today for some reason it changed the "default" from English to Korean.

[1Knightey1]

Ah, okay, thank you for the explanation! I greatly appreciate it.

[1Knightey1]

Things look rough. I hope you will be okay after this...
Though I feel like the idea of seeing PM in person becomes impossible to reach...
Sigh...

[N071]

We are all with you; the Chinese community are with us; and I believe the Russian community are also with us, too.
Our translation team just decided to not translate these sensitive announcement and provide them in korean only as PM did so (on our social account).
We're gonna stick to the game itself, knowing that LCB is supposed to bring laughter rather than conflict.

Apparently it's not just you and me as community translators, but also ProjMoon itself are going on an uncertain venture. We hope only the best to PM and LCB.

[ZengXiaoPi]

Everything will become better in its end.

[1Knightey1]

Yeah, I only have to hope for things to work out. Though I've heard Russians want to make a support letter for PM, and English want to write a petition about this... situation...
Sigh. We don't know the details so we cannot be sure. Anyway, our team keeps working on the translation and tries to bring more positive things into the fandom.

Though it would be nice to share something with each other since our teams are working together. You know, like a parcel with letters from people and maybe some stuff from our countries, ha-ha. I'd share some gingerbread "pryaniks" XD
Or drawings...
That would bring more comfort and feeling of "unity", I think.

[1Knightey1]

By the way, why did you delete lang before the name of files?
And how did you do it? I don't want to delete files and re_send them again, so I'm curious

[1Knightey1]

Excuse me for tactless question, but there's still no possibility to make various materials for fonts?
It's just, even with an outline it looks around this:

But when I copied the font material with the shadow, I got another problem:

It looks nice on the outside, but...

(The black text is very hard to read)

In the end I use the second version, but left the first one to be downloadable. It's not a good thing, and I'm still trying to find the solution.

[N071]

We are using a relatively thicker outline (compared to your first picture) with no shadow and we actually have only one single font for all the texts in game iirc.

While as I think that the mod is able to implement different fonts, we are still using a single one.

Btw Shamer6246 is the one working with fonts, so maybe he can share our settings?

[1Knightey1]

That might help, yeah!
You've shared before, but outline felt strange, maybe something with my perception though...

[1Knightey1]

Dear friends, I guess I broke something


Can you check what it might be? I updated the code in git.
Or is it because of the

        [HarmonyPrefix]
        private static void BattleSkillViewUIInfoInit(BattleSkillViewUIInfo __instance)
        {
            __instance._materialSetter_abText.underlayColor = Color.clear;
            __instance._materialSetter_skillText.underlayColor = Color.clear;
        }```

[1Knightey1]

Ah, got it what's the block of code for, thank you.
Then I have no idea why would numbers of dice change their whole colour instead of the outline...

[1Knightey1]

I didn't know should I ask or not, but I guess it's better to ask.

I saw you going from ML to BepInEX. Should we, too, move?

[N071]

Glad you asked. If ML works just fine, you don't necessarily need to.
(Or you can if you want since BepInEx might be more stable)

The transition from ML to BepInEx is a step for us to mitigate the impact of the internet blockade in CN Mainland.
FYI: CN Mainland users have difficulties accessing foreign internet services, including ML's remote API.

We found that ML contacts a remote API as a necessary step everytime it runs (and it won't start if the contact has failed), while BepInEx does not. Our modified version of BepInEx also eliminates a process that contacts remote services.

[1Knightey1]

Ah, got it! Thank you for the explanation. I guess we'll stick to MelonLoader for some time...

[1Knightey1]

You won't believe it. I got the same problem from before

It happened after I renamed "Mikodacs Part 1 SDF" to "Mikodacs SDF" to make the other thing work. And, what's funnier, it seems only non-Koreans have this problem (abcdcode, who helped me with making a proper material shift didn't have this problem, but I and one of our beta-testers have met it). All I can do is laugh at this situation to be frank.

UPDATE: After looking through UE, I found out that for some reason half of the squared texts try to use Pretendard font asset instead of Mikodacs. That's weird.

[1Knightey1]

Okay, I renamed the fonts so they wouldn't be the same as original ones
And it works now

I don't understand how games work.

[1Knightey1]

Good time of day.
I hope your version floats without problems.
Today's update seems to break MelonLoader, but I don't want to ask you for help since it seems to be unfixable on our end. (And, to be honest, it's not your problem)
I'll try making BIE version, but I have no hope of solving this problem these couple of days. Sigh...

[1Knightey1]

When I tried to change the code, VS started to redline parts of abcdcode work, saying that we cannot use "out" keyword. Sigh.
Our version will go dark for a week, probably. At least I can check my translations in-game now, thanks to BIE version (even if it's faulty as hell; I don't even understand how our beta-tester managed to compile it)

[1Knightey1]

The tester just copypasted your code to be honest.

I meant this red line. For some reason, I have either that or redline of 80% of the code with the words "Add UnhollowerBaseLib"
Maybe it's because I tried to make it work with 6.0.0. BIE which can't even get installed to my Limbus? I'll try out dependensies from your BIE tomorrow, when I get to feel better.

All these problems hit me too hard and my health just tried to give up on me again today. Hope you're not sick out there, friends.

[N071]

I might not be as helpful as Bright, but I recall that major verions of BIE does not support IL2Cpp. I think we're using BepInEx Bleeding Edge Build 672, but all versions between 647-672 should do the same work.
I'm sorry to hear about your health... Please don't push yourself too hard. Wish you an early recovery.

[1Knightey1]

Thank you very much for your kind words. I will try to lessen the amount of work I do every day.

Yeah, I should have used dependencies for the folder which I didn't have while trying to install BepInEx by myself. I guess I fixed the thing? Don't know yet...

But thank you!

[1Knightey1]

Sorry for the late question, but do you know how to install Unity Explorer to BepInEx? Mine doesn't see those two dlls as a plugin at all, and I really need to check some of the materials for fonts again...

[N071]

Here's Bright's reply:

We can't. There simply is no Unity Explorer that can be used on Limbus, as Melon Loader is no longer usable.

We too, are disappointed to find out this reality, and we don't know exactly why.

[1Knightey1]

Ah, a person from BepInEx server gave me a link to the working fork.
Sadly it didn't help me much since UE cannot catch the properties of battle lyrics, that's sad.

[1Knightey1]

Oh, I didn't have your message when I was writing this.
I'll share the fork with you:
https://github.com/blackjack4494/UnityExplorer
Hope, this will help you

[1Knightey1]

Hello there!
We are preparing some major update to RUS localization, and while at it, we found out that pre-last update broke the code that changes the combo sprite.
I think I should have said that earlier, but I was busy trying to make some other code work, so... Late is better than never.

[ZengXiaoPi]

Bright's reply:
replace ParryingTypoUI.Init to ParryingTypoUI.SetParryingTypoData
replace HarmonyPostfix to HarmonyPrefix

[1Knightey1]

Thank you very much! I figured 1 out of 2 somehow, but it's very helpful nonetheless!

[ZengXiaoPi]

By the way, in the new ver, PM changed their story loading code, and it made the story part of the program broken, so you should change the following code:

[HarmonyPatch(typeof(StoryData), nameof(StoryData.GetScenario))]
[HarmonyPrefix]
private static bool GetScenario(StoryData __instance, string scenarioID, ref LOCALIZE_LANGUAGE lang, ref Scenario __result)

to

[HarmonyPatch(typeof(StoryDataParser), nameof(StoryDataParser.GetScenario))]
[HarmonyPrefix]
private static bool GetScenario(StoryDataParser __instance, string scenarioID, ref LOCALIZE_LANGUAGE lang, ref Scenario __result)

(sorry for my english

[ZengXiaoPi]

the code is from bright too.

[1Knightey1]

Ah! Thank you so much!

[1Knightey1]

Hello there, it's been a while.
We finally made a big update to our localization and keep working on making it better.
Though, there's still some questions regarding an old thing we've discussed before.
Is there a way to change font materials? I added lacking materials (Outlined ones and ones with glow) into the font bundle to create more polished look, but I cannot change the materials yet.
Can you, please, help me with the code to implement different kinds of shaders to UI text, or give me some documentation that could help me with it?
I can give you something in return, from an artwork to some compensation to Bright "for the tea"(?).

[1Knightey1]

不好意思，我试着用 DeepL 翻译器用中文解释一下。
这不是字体本身的问题。我的意思是 ProjectMoon 在用户界面的某些部分使用了不同种类的着色器，如 "Glow "或 "Underlay"。我希望通过使用预设材质来重新创建这些着色器，我在资产包中创建并实现了这些预设材质，完全是为了这个目的。
我对代码的一点理解是，现在，每个字体材质都会转换成一个单一的版本--字体材质的默认版本。虽然 "Lobotomy Corporation "的 BaseMod 创建者 abcdcode 曾帮助我们为 "Mikodacs "底层着色器创建了可行的变通方法，但这可能太过分了，而且......简直太难了？要让每种字体都能正常工作，这可能太难了。因此，我认为使用预制材质并以某种方式将其分配给某些游戏中的字体材质可能更容易制作。正如我之前说过的，如果我上面所说的是可行的，我愿意为你们的团队画一些东西（即使我的技术不如我在你们的维基中看到的那些概念），或者甚至付给你们的团队或 Bright 本人一小笔钱，作为对你们帮助的 "感谢"。

通过DeepL.com（免费版）翻译

[1Knightey1]

I mean these

[N071]

Ah sorry for all this misunderstanding and chaos. I'm calling Bright to see this.
We're using one and only one material preset, so I just don't have the experience at all.
I'm not sure if our mod can achieve this, and all this is Bright's expertise. He seems uninterested in the font problem, and we're fine living with the current, single material.

[N071]

Sorry for the late response. Bright is telling me that he is not interested in higher font functions. It's near the year end (Chinese New Year) here so he seems to be busy with things at work lately.
We're sorry that we might not be of help.

[1Knightey1]

Hello there, I have some news!

After some work we started to change materials in some areas and today I managed to make the EGO lines work!

Though we still have like half of the other battle font materials broken because of the change in material script, I hope we can fix them soon enough :)

[1Knightey1]

Hello again!
Today I came with the news!
French Lacalizators posted their alpha of translation for Limbus!
I think I should tell you about it, so here I am.
Here they are

There are also Spanish Lacalizators who are actively working on the translation, but I don't know their GitHub yet.

As well as maybe Portuguese one day, who knows!

[1Knightey1]

Okay, I'll do! But the answer will be later, since Pac (the French translator) has gone to sleep few hours ago.
But when I get the answer, I'll tell you right away!

[N071]

Thanks! I see its only 3 hrs ago since their last commit.
Ah by the way, please help us to express our gratitude for using our base mod, and contributing for LCB players.
It's noble to do such things (you too).

[1Knightey1]

Okay, I'll share these words with both French and Spanish translators! Sadly, I cannot say this to Ukrainian translators for... Reasons... But that aside I'll tell others for you!

[1Knightey1]

"Sure, with pleasure!"
That's Pac's response on adding French localization to the list!

Also it seems that Spanish translators "would appreciate" adding as well once they will be able to share the link to their repository. Cannot wait to add them :)

[N071]

Alright, and looking forward for the Spanish mod!
Thank you for relaying the message~

[1Knightey1]

Hello there! Today I have a rather weird question...
Is this okay?


I didn't touch a thing there but it tells me that there's an error after the new update.

[1Knightey1]

Thank you for reassuring I'm not the only one, I'll try to find the solution as well, but I'm not that good at coding as Bright, so I'll probably won't be of help to you...

And I wanted to update our localization today, sigh...

[ZengXiaoPi]

nephthys has fixed the question already.please check our repo for the new code.

[1Knightey1]

Ah, okay, thank you!

[1Knightey1]

Ah, guys? Sorry for asking for help again, but for some reason it does not work as intended in our case:

Names and nicknames are in English even though I used "krname" and "nickName" as it was before

EDIT:
For some reason, it keeps taking from "enname" and "enNickName" now

[1Knightey1]

Thank you very much, dear Bright. You are my saviour once again 🙏

[1Knightey1]

Hello there again! I brought good news today!
Spanish translators have made a GitHub page for their localization!

[N071]

This is great news for us! Thank you for helping them too~

[1Knightey1]

I'm bringing you a not-so-nice news this night
ProjectMoon somehow just killed Unity Explorer for good.

I guess that's it for my dream of translating sprites and hardcoded text for more refined look :(

[Nephthys137]

The correct reason is that it conflicts with other mod，You just need to find the conflicting mod and disable it temporarily when you want to use UE

[1Knightey1]

Ah, thank you. I guess I messed up something with our localization mod, then. Because I have literally only two mods there.
Thank you for the explanation again!

[1Knightey1]

Hello there! I'm not really with news today, more like asking for a piece of advice.
Even though I understand that you don't use this, I just wondered could we find a solution before my friend finishes with his exams.

So, basically, for some reason sometimes the materials for the fonts in dialogues like EGO and/or gacha subtitles go green, like this:

I couldn't understand just what exactly could go wrong, and after some tedious fights with Heathcliff? I think I found the reason of the green glow/underlay:

Though this leaves me in a dead end for I have no idea how to exclude this "destroyed" material from the fontSharedMaterials part of the object.

[Helck1]

Hello, I was wondering about the translation of the term "Luxcavation" and asked some Korean people about its original meaning. Their reply is on the screenshot. So, my question is why did your team go with the hanja for Lighting instead of Mining?

[Helck1]

Oh, thats an angle I havent thought of. Thanks for your help. Learning about KR and JP versions would be an amazing opportunity, too.

Edit: typed a bit too late. Thanks for your great explanation once again, it was very helpful and informative.

[Helck1]

I have one more question that is of great interest to me. Your team translated Outis as 奥提斯 (ào tí sī (hopefully its correct, I used an online tool)) which is a bit off from original pronuncation of the Ancient Greek word (screenshot). Is this a recognized derivation of Ancient Greek Οὖτις in Chinese language just as Outis in English or what was the reason behind such decision? I know that Koreans use 오티스 (Otiseu) (I dont know if it is a derivation), English - Outis (flexible pronunciation), and Japanese - ウーティス (Ūtisu) (which is much closer to the Ancient Greek word of origin).

[N071]

You are right. And this is a great question. It is true that 奥提斯(Outis, ào tí sī) does not perfectly align with the Greek pronunciation of Οὖτις. However we derived this translation not from voice only. We want to be closer to the recognized version of translation of Odyssey in Chinese.

Well so, we've strived to use translation from established Chinses translation of those original books. In this case, we know Outis if from the《奥德赛》(Odyssey).
The Chinese version of Odyssey is《奥德赛》, translated by Mr.陈中梅.
Odysseus, in Odyssey, was translated as 奥德修斯 in Chinese in《奥德赛》.

English	Chinese	Is the Chinese translation broadly recognized?
Odyssey	奥德赛	Yes
Odysseus	奥德修斯	Yes
Outis	奥提斯	No, it comes from us

Notice the similarity between them.

Outis is the nickname of Odysseus apparently, and we think that it's better if we use similar Chinese characters to translate Outis, so that Chinese viewers would recognize that: "Ahh so because 奥提斯(Outis) has two identical glyph from 奥德修斯(Odysseus) so Outis must be the nickname of Odysseus".

As of why the established translation is 奥德赛 and 奥德修斯, I suppose that it is because the translation derives from English, rather than the original Greek. It is also hard for me to find the answer.

I'mma go further in this topic because I found this very interesting. Apologies if it's too much.

Translating people names from different language to Chinese is a difficult task, and is more complicated than it looks. This is due to two reasons:

• The combination pattern of Chinese Pinyin (Pinyin is the law of pronunciation of Chinese characters) are strictly constrained.
• Chinese are ALL hieroglyphs. No matter what you do, your name translation always carries some actual meaning. Chinese translators have developed a theory to either: 1. try our best to eliminate any actual meaning, or 2. to take advantage of the meaning embedded in characters to reflect one's personality.

In short, name translations to Chinese should follow four rules:

• Names follow their owners: The person himself has the absolute power to determine the translation, no matter if it's good or bad.
• Conventionally established: Some of the translations are used for too long and we should continue using it, no matter if it's good or bad.
• Balancing sound and meaning: Sound is in the first place, but meaning can be considered.
• Transliteration follows the original: The sound of translation should be close to the sound in the original language, rather than the sound in English.

[Helck1]

No apologies needed, such an interesting and informative insight is always welcome! It's very amusing to learn about your methods of translation. Thanks for your effort and such a thorough approach to my requests.

[1Knightey1]

That's a really interesting insight!

Also I thought that Lux is used not because of measurements, but because Lux is latin for "Light". It goes close to how in Distortion Detective, Watson and NEET used to translate sinbi (신비) as Psychoment, using different language (Greek) for sharing the meaning.

[1Knightey1]

Hello, I have a question
Is your version okay with dialogues, or it's a broad issue?
I mean, in our version and other versions derived from ours, we lack dialogues completely:

I wish I could know how to fix this.

[N071]

Yes this is a broad issue, We have it too. It seems that ProjMoon has yet again altered the loading logic for dialogues. Neph (His former name is Bright1192) hasn't looked into it yet but he will be trying to fix it.

[1Knightey1]

Oh, okay! It may be changed due to adding different types of dialogue of Heathcliff pre- and post-Canthy 6 (ha-ha). I'll look into dll, though it's sad that I can't help :(

[Disuer]

Hello!
If you remove the code of PersonalityVoiceJsonDataList, everything seems to work as usual. The buttons can be clicked, and the dialogs appear. Is there any catch by doing this?

[Nephthys137]

we also used this scheme in the latest commit; However, there may be some issues. After all, this code is used to solve some errors.

[1Knightey1]

Hello! I think I should tell you especially since it has happened twice.
After you added a certain part of the code:
if (jSONNode.Count == 1 && jSONNode[0].IsNumber) { s++; continue; }
Some stories start to have misalignments between voice and text!

I found this out in 0-3, which I thought could be the error on my end since we decided to change the font material of Sinner introductions for better readability... But if your readers had the same issue, it's probably universal.

For me, deleting this part of code fixed the issue.

[1Knightey1]

I didn't tell you right away because I wanted to ask our second coder first to check this issue if it presents on his end, but now... Yes, I think it's safe to say that this error is present not only in my machine.

[N071]

Thanks for the information! Yes the problem is pervasive and we've heard voices from our users too. I'm not the one who do the coding but @Nephthys137 has done a dev version for testing yesterday. It solves the misalignments.
He hasn't pushed his work to GitHub yet. I guess he wants to push his work together in one commit with the next raw text update, and keep the commit logs clean.

This is his work, feel free to check this out:
LimbusLocalize_Dev.zip
(The file can't be used straight away since this dll is for CN localization)

[1Knightey1]

Oh, thank you!
I understand. Either way I feel like our versions is very different as in I strive for hardcode translation and stuff while you make your version as clean and stable as possible.
Still I am happy that I can help you in some way and get help from you as well!

[1Knightey1]

Hello there once again!
The head of the Spanish team inquired about the translation of some new passives like "Hour of the Reindeer" (?), as in, where to find them.
I could not check the game properly yet, so I can only convey their question without any details or explanations.

[N071]

BTW I've taken a look of our Spanish Team's discord server maybe a month or two ago, and I was discouraged because their main language is Spanish, rather than English in their discord(well that does make sense).
I have access to Discord as well so I'm curious that how are you guys getting in touch (via English) over discord?

[ZengXiaoPi]

BTW I've taken a look of our Spanish Team's discord server maybe a month or two ago, and I was discouraged because their main language is Spanish, rather than English in their discord(well that does make sense). I have access to Discord as well so I'm curious that how are you guys getting in touch (via English) over discord?

COZ everyone can use POWER from Google and OpenAI

[1Knightey1]

We mainly use private messages, but our team has a Discord server of our own with a cathegory specially made for other translation teams where English is the dominant one! And I would be happy to see you there, since you would be able to get in touch with heads of Spanish, French and Vietnamese teams.

[1Knightey1]

(Ah, but it has a Russian "welcome" questions which might be needed to be guided :(
I'll be around to translate them, if needed)

[N071]

Just got in and introduced myself in #Off-topic. Look forward to see you there!

[TheRedPacman83]

Hello there !
Pacman here, working on the French translation !
I'm writing here after talking with Knightley and Downova regarding an issue with the mode that I have.
There are effect descriptions that appear in the passives when they're not supposed to (see the pictures that I'm adding to this), basically : whenever I write a word or group of word that is the same as the effect name, it shows up.
I was wondering if there was a way to prevent them from showing up, because they can be very misleading sometime...

[N071]

It's a pleasure to provide answer for this.
Blend zero-width characters into your text, they can be: \u200B →zero width space, or \u200C →zero width non-joiner

e.g. R\u200Begard should prevent Regard from becoming a linked keyword.

[TheRedPacman83]

Just did the modification in the code and everything is now working perfectly !
Thank you very much for your help