Waves has announced a major update for StudioRack and SoundGrid Studio, with significant changes affecting SoundGrid Studio. Notably, the SoundGrid server will no longer be supported in future versions of StudioRack.
For full details, visit the official announcement.
In short : Waves studio is no longer supported (Jun 2024)
This page is a compilation on what you'll find on Groupdiy GearSpace thanks to krabbencutter or facebook thanks to Kalfelz Wusik William.
No source code will be provided.
Please consider learning more about SoundGrid technologie
- SoundGrid 101: Introduction to SoundGrid : basics of Waves SoundGrid systems for real-time audio processing and networking.
- SoundGrid 201: In-Depth Training : in depth about Waves SoundGrid systems for real-time audio processing and networking.
- SoundGrid 301: Advanced Training : how to operate a Waves SoundGrid system more effectively, including troubleshooting basics.
And also buying more delicious Waves Plugins
| Componant | |
|---|---|
| CPU | Intel CPU only - i5 or i7 6th gen mininimum recommanded |
| RAM | 4Go |
| Network | Intel or Some Realtek - 1 Ethernet Port only |
| Drive | USB Flash Drive1 |
NOT WORKING :
- Non Intel CPU based configuration
- Non Intel or Some Realtek based NIC card
About waves configuration
All waves configuration tag price don't reflect only gear but also come with :
- professional support,
- Sturdy all-metal casing,
- Free 1-year warranty,
- Neutrik etherCon SoundGrid port connector for some units
- and more important all love from waves.
| Official / DIY | MotherBoard / Config Name | CPU | Form Factor | H-Reverb Test 2 | Price / ratio 3 |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Official | NA QBI2145A4 | Celeron J4125 | ---- | NA | $849 / |
| Official | Gigabyte mITX-4125A-WV5 | Celeron J4125 | ---- | NA | $1299 / |
| Official | Gigabyte GA-IMB410N6 | i3 10300 | ---- | NA | $1799 / |
| Official | Gigabyte GA-IMB410N7 | i7 10700 | ---- | NA | $2399 / |
| Official | Gigabyte GA-IMB410N8 | i7 10700 | ---- | NA | $2449 / |
| Official | Gigabyte W480M9 | i9 10900K | ---- | NA | $3499 / |
| Official | Gigabyte W480M10 | i9 10900K | ---- | NA | $3999 / |
| Official / DIY | MotherBoard / Config Name | CPU | Form Factor | H-Reverb Test 2 | Price / ratio 3 |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Official | Polywell J4105AEL211 | Celeron J4105 | ---- | <6 (11034840) | $849 / 141 |
| Official | Portwell Nano-6000C12 | i5 6200u | ---- | 6 (11034840) | $1299 / 216 |
| Official | Gigabyte GA-B150N-GSM 13 | i5 | ---- | 12 (11034840) | $1799 / 149 |
| Official | Gigabyte GA-H81N 14 | i5 4590K | ---- | 14 (11034840) | $2449 / 178 |
| Official | Gigabyte GA-B360N-GSM v1.0 1516 | i7 9700 | ---- | 14 (11034840) | $2399 / 171 |
| Official / DIY | MotherBoard / Config Name | CPU | Form Factor | H-Reverb Test 2 | Price € / ratio 3 |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| DIY | Acer N4660G | i7 8700 | ---- | ---- | ---- |
| DIY | ASRock H110M DVS | i5 7400 | ---- | ---- | ---- |
| DIY | ASRock H510M17 | i7 11700K | ITX | ---- | ---- |
| DIY | ASUS B85 Plus | I5 4570 S | ITX | ---- | ---- |
| DIY | Asus P79 | i7 3930x | ---- | ---- | ---- |
| DIY | Asus Z87-K C2 | i7 4770 | ---- | 11 | ---- |
| DIY | Asus H81M-K motherboard | i7 4771 | ---- | 14 | ---- |
| DIY | Dell T5500 | i7 4771 | ---- | ---- | ---- |
| DIY | Dell PowerEdge T20 | Xeon E3 1225 v3 | ---- | 11 | 300 (2015) |
| DIY | Dell Optiplex 7060 | ---- | ---- | ---- | ---- |
| DIY | Dell Optiplex 3050 Micro | i5 7500T | ---- | ---- | ---- |
| DIY | Gigabyte B365 | ---- | ---- | ---- | ---- |
| DIY | Gigabyte B365M DS3H | i7 9700K | ---- | ---- | ---- |
| DIY | Gigabyte B365M WIFI-Y1-R | i7 9700 | ---- | ---- | ---- |
| DIY | Gigabyte GA-H81M-S2PH | i5 4570 | ---- | ---- | ---- |
| DIY | Gigabyte GA-H110TN | i7 6700 | ---- | ---- | ---- |
| DIY | Gigabyte GA-H510M S2 V2 | i9 11900 | ---- | 20 | 800 (2022) / 40 |
| DIY | Gigabyte GA-B360N GSM / WiFi | i7 8700K | ---- | ---- | ---- |
| DIY | Gigabyte b365m ds3h | i7 9700k | ---- | ---- | ---- |
| DIY | Gigabyte b365m ds3h | i7 9700 | ---- | ---- | ---- |
| DIY | Gigabyte IMB410TN | i7 8700 | ---- | ---- | ---- |
| DIY | Gigabyte H410M S2H (r8169 NIC) | i5 10400 | ---- | ---- | ---- |
| DIY | Gigabyte H270N | i7 7700K | ---- | ---- | ---- |
| DIY | Gigabyte GA-Z170X-UD5 | i7 7500 | ---- | ---- | ---- |
| DIY | Gigabyte Z370P D3 | i5 9600k | ---- | ---- | ---- |
| DIY | Gigabyte z590I vision D | i9 10900K | ---- | ---- | ---- |
| DIY | HP Z240 workstation | i7 6700 | ---- | ---- | ---- |
| Official / DIY | MotherBoard / Config Name | CPU | Form Factor | H-Reverb Test 2 | Price € / ratio 3 |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| DIY | DELL R210 II | Xeon 1230 V2 | ---- | ---- | ---- |
| Official / DIY | MotherBoard / Config Name | CPU | Form Factor | H-Reverb Test 2 | Price € / ratio 3 |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| DIY | HP Elitedesk 600 G3 | i7 6500 | SFF | ---- | ---- |
| DIY | HP Elitedesk 600 G3 | i7 6700 | SFF | 20 (11034440) | 150 (2022) / 7.5 |
| DIY | HP Elitedesk 600 G3 | i7 7700 | SFF | 22 (11034440) | 160 (2022) / 7.27 |
| DIY | HP Elitedesk 800 G1 | i7 4790 | SFF | ---- | ---- |
| DIY | HP EliteDesk 800 G3 Mini | i5 7700 | USFF | ---- | ---- |
| DIY | HP Elitedesk 800 G5 | i5 9500T | ---- | ---- | ---- |
| DIY | HP Elitedesk G2 | i5 6500T | ---- | 8 | ---- |
| DIY | HP Z220 (C216 chipset) | i7 3770 | SFF | 12 (12.8.0.320) | ---- |
| DIY | Lenovo M93P tiny | i5 4570T | USFF | ---- | ---- |
| DIY | Lenovo ThinkCentre M910q Tiny | i5-6500T | USFF | ---- | ---- |
| DIY | Lenovo thinkcentre M900-tiny | i5 6500T | USFF | ---- | ---- |
- Virtualisation (Vmware ESXI or other virtualisation solution) : run but will also keep failing as the server need REALTIME usage, spend more time doing music geeks !
- Laptop server : Laptops are not designed to be servers. Soundgrid will definitely work but in the long run you will definitely have overheating/cooling issues as the server running the computer at fullspeed, it will make your computer die sooner ...
- HP Elitedesk 400 G7 i5 10500 : NIC Intel® I219LM recognition failed
| Official / DIY | MotherBoard / Config Name | CPU | Form Factor | H-Reverb Test 2 | Price € / ratio 3 |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| DIY | Apple Mac Mini | * | ---- | ---- | ---- |
| DIY | MSI B450M Mortar Max | Ryzen 3 1200 | ---- | ---- | ---- |
| DIY | MSI 790FX-GD70 | Phenom II X4 965 | ---- | ---- | ---- |
| DIY | Lenovo Thinkstation P340 | ---- | ---- | ---- | |
| DIY | MSI B450M Mortar Max | Ryzen 3 1200 | ---- | ---- | ---- |
- Intel I210-T1 Ethernet Server Adapter - PCIe 2.1 lowprofil - around 60€
- Intel EXPI9402PT
- Intel Chipsets 000 series, I219V seem to work fine. Intel PCIe LAN card can work.
- Realtek 8111x should work (Success with 8111H and 8111B and R8169) :
How do i check the CPU ?
I always take my 2013 CPU i7 4770as reference. It always had decent results on reverb test creamware pulsar saturation on PCI Bus before with the same result : around 10/11 reverbs.
When i need to check the "brut power" of a CPU for reference, i google "i7 4770 vs The other one cpuboss" and check rapidely on some site like CPU Boss for benchmarck comparison or passmark comparison website.
I check to have at least the same as the i7 4770 (or almost equivalent : i5 8500T, i7 4790
Avoid Celeron, Intel I3 or too old CPU (before 2013), and be carefull with the reference : i6500 is NOT the same as i6500T (or K, S, T, U ....)
Which motherboard ?
For a long time as reference (on planetz : creamware user) : ASUS or GIGABYTE where the most reliable choice for a music computer.
How do i mesure performance of my setup ? (H-Reverb Test)
One of the mesure of setup performance (and does not reflect the whole CPU capabilities - see "CPU Performance vs. Real-Time Performance in Digital Audio Workstations (DAW)" for full explanation), is to test the worst case scenario for plugins use : reverbs. Reverbs are often the most commun and worst for system resources. This is why this is a commun reference.( see 2005 Masterverb thread)
A simple test you can do, as waves does :
Result : <Waves Version><Case><Frequency Rate><Latency>
Exemple : H-reverb 20 (11034840) will refer to a studio rack test on Waves V11 @ 48Khz under a latency of 40
| Case | Main Soft | Sub soft | Comments |
|---|---|---|---|
| 01 | eMotion | LV1 | latency optimized mode |
| 02 | SuperRack | SoundGrid | |
| 03 | StudioRack | SoundGrid Studio | SoundGrid mode |
Source : Waves Plugins latency
- create an audio track on your DAW, insert random wav on it
- set studiorack plugin insert on this track, select H - Reverb plug in
- play, if it's :
- DOES NOT poping or other interference, duplicate and repeat until it does
- DOES popin, your reach your max, count your track number : and this his the end of the test
Reducing noise & temperature
Try to change the thermal paste of your CPU with someting like Thermal Grizzly Hydronaut - Conductive, High Performance Thermal Paste - Extensive for air Cooling Systems, Water Cooling, for All heatsinks CPU and GPU (7,8 Gram / 3 ml) Amazon US FR and Isopropanol 99,9% Alkohol - Amazon US FR It will reduce your CPU temperature of few degrees.
Create a Soundgrid Server V11 USB stick (Windows)
Here's a simple set of instructions how to create a Soundgrid Server V11 USB stick on Windows in about 5 minutes
- install SoundGrid Studio (or another Soundgrid application of your choice) on your System
- Download Rufus https://rufus.ie/
- insert an empty USB stick
- open Rufus and toggle "Show advanced drive properties" (below the "Partition scheme"-Dropdown).
You don't need to click anything here, instead click on the "Boot selection"-Dropdown
- select "Syslinux 6.04" from the "Boot selection"-Dropdown
- hit START. You'll get some warning dialogs, as well as some dialogs where you need to allow Rufus to download syslinux.
- download and install 7-Zip https://7-zip.org/
- navigate to C:\ProgramData\Waves Audio\SoundGrid Firmware\SGS
- open the .wfi file with 7-zip
- extract the content to your USB stick
- eject the USB stick and put it in your server
Source krabbencutter
Wave Server CLI : AG_NSServer
Some command :
AG_NSServer -help
AG_NSServer -i eth0 -m sgnf AG_NSServer -i eth0 -m sgnf -o ./wsgnf -d
NIC Issue : I boot up but my server is not recognised
Here is the symptom :
or
case controller -c no_lan
can't open led serial device: /dev/case_controller ! case controller failed!
Resolution : add additional nic card
Soundgrid Studio : Safe Mode
Hold SHIFT-F until the "FW" on your soundgrid server lights up and click that 'FW'.
Bypass the ethnert HUB
With a NIC Card with multiple outputs, If you don't need more than one server and too long distance (ie a studio)... you can bypass the usage of the ethernet hub ... Worked with HP NC360T (low profile) between HP400G7 and direct cable to HP600G3SFF (SG Server) without any hub.
It should work with a backup server but you need to test it.
Footnotes
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Dont connect any other drive than the flash drive. During firmware update, it could blank your whole drive ... Exemple : Kingston DataTraveler DTSE9G2 32GB Memory Stick ↩
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check FAQ : "How do i mesure performance of my setup ? (H-Reverb Test)" ↩ ↩2 ↩3 ↩4 ↩5 ↩6
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ratio is (price list) / (H-reverb test result) = cost per H-reverb - lower is better ↩ ↩2 ↩3 ↩4 ↩5 ↩6
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SoundGrid Proton Server 2022 Specification ↩
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Proton Duo 2022 Specification ↩
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SoundGrid Server One-C 2022 Specification ↩
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SoundGrid Extreme Server-C 2022 Specification ↩
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SoundGrid Extreme Server 2022 Specification ↩
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Titan SoundGrid Server Specification ↩
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Titan-R SoundGrid Server Specification ↩
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Proton Server Specification ↩
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Mobile Server ↩
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Server One-C Specification ↩
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Extreme Server Specification ↩
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Impact Server C X9 Specification ↩
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Extreme Server-C : Specification ↩
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Intel Gigabit CT Desktop Adapter (supported nic) ↩
